Darth Vader far too UP for being the most iconic Sith vilian of all time

"DarthMufasa4;c-1418374" wrote:
Han is also a freebie toon. Just sit around on raids and youll unlock him with little effort. So is CLS, Thrawn and Palpatine (so the argument of the first 2 being hard to get doesnt really apply to Palpatine)

This game is designed to be a grind. Just because the requirements are simpler, such as farming five toons with a specific tag, that doesn't make it a freebie. You are given Vader shards for participation. Palpatine, Thrawn and CLS are only farmable through the collection of specific toons. By your definition, all toons are freebies, since they are collectable, so we are having two separate conversations. One does not override the other.

You might be given Vader shards for free, but in practice to make him useful youd have to buy shards from the fleet store.
In Hans case you dont have to spend anything and youll get him for free, just post 0 in a heroic rancor raid and youll get shards (and even if you get just one every time, you may still finish before vader provided you never buy using fleet tokens).

And no "since they are collectable" Thats not what I said. In all these characters they are attainable via an event. CLS I would say requires work, but hes 1 of the most powerful toons in the game, and for the most part you get him quite cheaply.

Vader, you dont really get anything for him, hes good at rancor early on but thats about it. And as the most iconic star wars character of all time. Id expect a bit more. Especially as one puts in more work to get Vader to 7 stars than Palpatine or Han.

Now I also think Palpatine should get a rework, I even made a suggestion as to what he should get. And Id want them to get a rework at the same time.

You're arguing with yourself at this point. All I've stated are facts, which are indisputable. You have to farm specific characters to unlock Palpatine. You don't have to unlock anything to farm Vader. Also, he can be purchased in the fleet store, along with Geonosian Soldier. Let me know the next time you see Palpatine for 400 fleet tokens. Case closed.

I'm not saying that we don't deserve a more powerful Vader. I'm just stating the fact that for a Legendary character, Palpatine is underpowered. For a fleet store purchase, Vader meets the requirements. If we were to receive a better Vader, I would prefer it be through a Legendary event, or some other difficult means. Reworking a toon that everyone 60+ has, defeats the purpose.

You have to consider the impact on all stages of the game, not just where you currently are as a player.

I know he can be purchased from the fleet store, I even said that in my comment. However I reckon its much easier to have palpatine 7 stars than Vader. When was the last time anyone other than yourself say they had difficulty getting Palpatine to 7 stars? Especially in this era of overpowered rebels.

And you didnt counter my Han claim. He is entirely free yet he got a rework. A very powerful rework as well, pushing him into the meta for 6 months, and hes still relevant now.

Vader for newer players wont be too powerful until he gets Zetas, so jsut make the uniques not too strong until you zeta them, at which point this wont affect newer players. And again its much easier to get palpatine 7 star than it is vader, as new players are expeected to farm pheonix just for thrawn, so palpatine is just a bonus

And Im not in favor of a new version of vader outside of pre suit vader, as otherwise they look identical. At least with the 4 (soon to be 5) hans they look slightly different

My biggest beef is that my G12 3x zeta CLS at >25k pwr stands miles above my G12 Zader with 19.8k pwr. They should be close to evenly matched and powered. Hell, if not a Vader rework I'd settle for a darkside Anakin....but the power and ability differential kicks sand in the face of their rivalry and is essentially, poor development planning considering Vader and Luke are who they are. For Pete's sake, Assaj G12 is more powerful than Vader.

"DarthMufasa4;c-1418486" wrote:
I know he can be purchased from the fleet store, I even said that in my comment. However I reckon its much easier to have palpatine 7 stars than Vader. When was the last time anyone other than yourself say they had difficulty getting Palpatine to 7 stars? Especially in this era of overpowered rebels.

And you didnt counter my Han claim. He is entirely free yet he got a rework. A very powerful rework as well, pushing him into the meta for 6 months, and hes still relevant now.

Okay I'll bite. Show me a level 60 account with Raid Han. Then explain to me how farming 230 Vader shards from Fleet shipments is more difficult than farming 5×330 shards of any five rebels.

Speaking not of shards and farming difficulty but exclusively on the merits of who the toons are in the films and canon. I realize different toons have different rarities and farming difficulties.....all this aside, my comments are exclusive to the fact that Vader is the original protagonist who spanned 3 films and wreaked havoc on the rebel alliance...CLS as his counterpart should be equal in power in all fairness.

Why do I have to show you a Han. It is easy considering all you have to do is post a 0 score to get shards. thats free afterall. You dont even have to change your method.

"Then explain to me how farming 230 Vader shards from Fleet shipments"
Im not. But if you do buy those fleet shipments, then how is Vader free? You dont need to worry about level 60s unlocking a more powerful vader, just make:
a) his gear requirements gear 10 and few will have him regardless of unlocking
b) put the good stuff on zetas

This would only then affect level 80+ arena shards. However a 4 star vader wont affect anything, its crap. Why are you worrying about an incomplete toon? Palpatine as is makes that look bad.

"DarthMufasa4;c-1418647" wrote:
Why do I have to show you a Han. It is easy considering all you have to do is post a 0 score to get shards. thats free afterall. You dont even have to change your method.

"Then explain to me how farming 230 Vader shards from Fleet shipments"
Im not. But if you do buy those fleet shipments, then how is Vader free? You dont need to worry about level 60s unlocking a more powerful vader, just make:
a) his gear requirements gear 10 and few will have him regardless of unlocking
b) put the good stuff on zetas

This would only then affect level 80+ arena shards. However a 4 star vader wont affect anything, its ****. Why are you worrying about an incomplete toon? Palpatine as is makes that look bad.

All I'm reading is "I can't prove my point. I just say things because I think they are true."Have a nice day sir. Good talk.

"SithLordDiMarco;c-1418644" wrote:
Speaking not of shards and farming difficulty but exclusively on the merits of who the toons are in the films and canon. I realize different toons have different rarities and farming difficulties.....all this aside, my comments are exclusive to the fact that Vader is the original protagonist who spanned 3 films and wreaked havoc on the rebel alliance...CLS as his counterpart should be equal in power in all fairness.

I agree that a more powerful version of Darth Vader should be released at some point. I also believe that he should be difficult to obtain. I think we are of the same opinion.